out of limits

There have been a lot of questions concerning getting a train “out of limits” and the proper way to claim the time.

Excerpt from the St. Louis Hub Agreement Side Letter 26:

Freight pool and extra board engineers filling regular assigned engineer vacancies standing first out on the board at time of call when required to relieve a train on the far side of the terminal under the “25-mile zone” provisions of this Agreement will be considered as having departed the terminal when such engineer departs in the conveyance to said train.

 

Excerpt from the St. Louis Hub Agreement - Q&A:

 

Q.6. How is a crew which received their train in the twenty-five (25) mile zone on the far side of the terminal compensated?

 

A.6. When so used, the crew shall be paid an additional one-half (1/2) basic day at the basic pro rata through freight rate for this service in addition to the district miles of the run. If the time spent beyond the terminal is greater than four (4) hours, they shall be paid on a minute basis at the basic pro rata through freight rate. Miles within the 25-mile zone shall not be added to the district miles of the run. Time spent within the zone does not factor into the computation of overtime; however, if the time spent within the zone, if factored into the computation of overtime, would produce road overtime earnings for the tour of duty in excess of the minimum four (4) hour payment, the higher overtime earnings would apply.

 

Q.7. If a crew in the twenty-five (25) mile zone is delayed in bringing the train into the origin terminal so that it does not have time to go to the destination terminal, what will happen to the crew?

 

A.7. If the crew had operated back through the origin terminal, they will be transported to the destination terminal, unless emergency conditions (i.e., acts of God, derailment, etc.) prevent such, and be paid district miles, overtime where applicable and a minimum of four (4) hours at the basic pro rata through freight rate.

 

Q.8. In regard to Question 6 above. What happens if a crew in the twenty-five (25) mile zone is delayed and does not depart the origin terminal a second time?

 

A.8. If the crew origin terminal is the home terminal will be released at the origin terminal and paid a basic day, including overtime when applicable, in addition to the minimum of four (4) hours at the basic pro rata through freight rate for working the 25-mile zone. If the origin terminal is the away terminal, the crew will be deadheaded to the destination terminal, except in cases of emergency (i.e., Acts of God, derailment, etc.).

 

Q.9. Is it the intent of this agreement to use engineers in the 25-mile zone if not qualified to operate on that territory?

 

A.9. No. It is not the intent of this agreement to require engineers to operate against their will within the 25-mile zone if not familiar with such territory.

 

Q.10. Do the 25-mile zone provisions, including the pay provisions thereof, apply to all engineers?

 

A.10. These provisions apply equally to pre-1985 engineer, post-1985 engineers, and engineers hired/promoted subsequent to the provisions of this agreement.

 

Q.11. Is the ½ day at the basic pro rata through freight rate for operating in the 25-mile zone frozen and/or is it a duplicate payment/special allowance?

 

A.11. No, it is subject to future wage adjustments and it is not a duplicate pay/special allowance.

 

Example 1 –

 

 Crew was called on duty for 10:00, upon going on duty you are notified that you must go to the far side of the terminal (within the 25-mile zone) to get the train. The crew departs from that location and reaches the destination terminal.

 

Record all information outlined in the Supt Bulletin.

 

YOUR TIME OUT OF LIMITS STARTS WHEN YOU GET IN THE VAN

 

If you spend time waiting for a van and or waiting for paperwork, note this in your FRA tie up that you spent “OT” on line E for a van or Paperwork.

 

Show your transport accurately as well as time out of the limits. If your time out of the limits exceeds 4 hours be sure to note that as you are entitled to additional compensation on a minuet by minuet basis. If the overtime pay is greater than the time spent out of the limits, you will be paid the higher amount.

 

Example 2 –

 

 Crew was called on duty for 10:00, upon going on duty you are notified that you must go to the far side of the terminal (within the 25-mile zone) to get the train. The crew departs from that location and does not reach the destination terminal.

 

As above show all information correctly, however in this situation you are entitled to all district miles, overtime earnings if applicable and the 4-hour payment with no offset of your overtime.

 

 

It is important to note there is a difference between the 25-mile zone/ out of limits payment and the runoff seniority district payment. If the crew is instructed to go beyond the 25-mile zone they are entitled to a basic day payment with no offset in either situation above. 

 

If you have any questions, please contact your Local Chairman.